Adding different types of restrictions between Services especially for DRT #959

ue71603 · 2025-09-24T09:52:12Z

Implementing more restrictions/eligibilty for services.

This is needed to describe many rules that exist for DRT services.
Based on the discussion of: https://3.basecamp.com/3256016/buckets/2570434/messages/8778284879
based on #920
redoing #958 for next

#958 not working yet

ue71603 · 2025-09-24T09:54:03Z

redoing #958
not working yet and not adapted examples

TODO:

fix problem with substitutionGroup
change examples
reduce to the max

ue71603 · 2025-09-24T12:02:37Z

We can now have the discussion

if this fixes everything: @duexw @klement-MENTZ
If this fits in the main structure @nick-knowles @Aurige

xsd/netex_framework/netex_reusableComponents/netex_serviceRestrictions_version.xsd

xsd/netex_part_3/part3_fares/netex_extendedBookingArrangements_version.xsd

…rictions_version.xsd Co-authored-by: Stefan de Konink <stefan@konink.de>

…_version.xsd Co-authored-by: Stefan de Konink <stefan@konink.de>

xsd/netex_part_3/part3_fares/netex_extendedBookingArrangements_version.xsd

…_version.xsd

xsd/netex_part_3/part3_fares/netex_extendedBookingArrangements_version.xsd

…_version.xsd

skinkie · 2025-09-24T20:13:23Z

I think what you are still missing are the unique constraints in de root xsd. And potential relationships.

ue71603 · 2025-09-25T07:37:05Z

@skinkie will check. I made them all BookingArrangements from the id point of view. But I check

Aurige · 2025-10-06T13:38:23Z

I don't think that it can be a 2.0 milestone since it contains several addition from the CEN submitted version (ServiceCompetitiveCondition ...)

ue71603 · 2025-10-06T13:42:57Z

@Aurige 2.0.1? Also those are additions, so they don't invalidate anything that is in the 2.0 specification

Aurige · 2025-10-06T13:48:50Z

yes, but additions need documentation .. the idea behind the 2.0 is to stay as close as possible to the document. I'm of course fully Ok to have such PR in post 2.0 (also note that it also triggers a TM change request...)

TuThoThai · 2025-10-08T12:11:39Z

Move to milestone v2.1 due to the need of Transmodel update

duexw · 2025-11-07T10:16:42Z

examples/functions/newModes/NewModes-ChauffeuredServiceExample.xml

I do not think it is a good idea that as a data producer you have to enumerate all regular services ("LINE") to state the competition rules. The data producer will not have these in their system, unless they are a data integration system. Even if they do have all LINEs, the process for determining the competing LINEs is not straight forward. Taxi-like DRT will usually be determined by a geographical area and by operating days and times. So the system would need to determine the stops in the area, then determine the LINEs serving the stops, and then find out if there are any journeys during the operating time of the DRT. I suggest that it is not necessary to state the competing regular LINEs, the journey planner can work that out at run time.

@duexw counter-proposal? how would you state them?

It is now optional. Also I added some more points.

Yes, that is what I had in mind - If you do not state any LINEs, it means that the competitive rule applies to all LINEs.

duexw · 2025-11-07T10:27:56Z

xsd/netex_framework/netex_reusableComponents/netex_serviceRestrictions_version.xsd

Just formal: We should not call the super type "_Dummy" in the final version, it sounds like "work in progress"

We should also allow the ServiceBookingArrangement in the existing bookingArrangements_RelStructure and bookingArrangementsInFrame_RelStructure. Currently, we export the DRTs as FlexibleLines also if they are taxi-like. It would break existing implementations if we had to move them to MobilityServiceFrame just in order to use ServiceBookingArrangement. Maybe it is also possible to add the new elements to the regular BookingArrangement

_Dummy is the defintion that facilitates the substitutionGroup. If you have any better proposal speak out fast. Because this does result in breaking changes for anyone that is generating code from the schema.

I think we discused in the group and agreed to call it _Dummy. We always will have problems with the name,whateverwe choose I guess.

OK - dummy it is.

If you have any better suggestion. Please tell us.

duexw · 2025-11-07T10:47:11Z

xsd/netex_part_3/part3_fares/netex_extendedBookingArrangements_version.xsd

Adding "RoutingConstraintInFrameGroup" is like shooting sparrows with cannons. It adds huge complexity to the model where we originally only wanted to state "do not compete with regular PT operating within +-15 minutes".

but it works with cannons... Ok. I had this first but the restriction group works. You propose we do a simple element with a xs:duration then. I can live with that.

I don't know if I want to switch to something simple, if we can facilitate all variants with a "more difficult" proposal.

It is now possible to do the simple way again as RoutingConstraintInFrameGroup is optional

reduce to max, we can do in the profile

xsd/netex_part_3/part3_fares/netex_extendedBookingArrangements_version.xsd

…_version.xsd Co-authored-by: Stefan de Konink <stefan@konink.de>

ue71603 · 2025-11-20T08:39:08Z

Input from Felix Gründling for more parameters: https://felixguendling.github.io/transit-qa/

This would also allow for perpiece linear functions in the form of a table
from 0 mim taxi: 35 penalty points per taxi minute
from 1 min taxi: 12 penalty points per taxi minute

Soa penalty factor forDRTis missing
DistanceFromClassical seems problematic, as an existing line may not operate (at this hour).

There may be other dominance rules for DRT vs DRT (first -mile/last-mile DRT vs direct DRt)

Temporal distance needs better definition e.g. mean between departure time and arrival time. Other functions might apply.

He an Moriz are interested in a discusion.

redoing #958 for next

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